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This movie was not about accountability, unless it was meant to be a joke.

(Spoilers below the cut.)

Spoilers )
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Sort of liveblogging my thoughts.


After the first 50 minutes:

- People complain about Batman v Superman being "poorly edited" (a complaint I don't get, by the way), but honestly, in my opinion, CA:CW is actually poorly edited. By which I mean the pacing is weird, since "poorly edited" is kind of a vague and strangely worded complaint. The pacing is pretty clunky; one scene actually cuts in the middle to go to what Zemo's up to (and I found myself thinking "I don't f**king care") before returning to the same, still ongoing scene. Also, Steve departs while the other Avengers are debating the Sokovia Accords because he gets a text that Peggy died and he's like "I gotta go to her funeral right this second, BYE GUYS." I mean...seriously? And then while he's in London, he sees the news about the Vienna bombing and then gets to Vienna right after the bombing. I mean...I guess it's possible? But it felt so weird from a pacing standpoint, like he teleported there or something.

Peggy's funeral scene lasted like two minutes and I thought was kind of pointless; there were other ways to introduce Steve to Sharon Carter and reaffirm his motivation not to sign the Sokovia Accords.

I ragequit the movie when, after a tense action scene that resulted in the arrest of Steve, Bucky, and Sam, it cut to Vision trying to cook for Wanda. The mood whiplash was so severe it actually pissed me off.

- There were like...five location jumps in the first 50 minutes? Some of which were extremely abrupt. Also, I started to get sick of the establishing shots with the name of the city plastered across the screen in huge capital letters. It just felt incredibly clunky and inelegant. Show us a British flag and we know it's London, etc.

- I was initially very confused when the movie showed a flashback from Tony's youth. I also found the cinematography for that flashback really...aesthetically not pleasing (tech demo or not).

- So Tony didn't care about the death toll from Age of Ultron...until a woman tells him he killed her specific son, then suddenly he cares a lot. Gotcha.

- On Peggy's funeral: I feel very ambivalent about giving one of Steve Rogers's most iconic comic quotes to Peggy. It just...feels weird to me.

- I really, really did not care for all the scenes with Zemo, particularly with the order in which those scenes were inserted into the overall plot.

- Once again, a Russo-helmed MCU movie places action scenes in the middle of densely populated areas and ignores the fact that significant collateral damage probably happened. It's really mind-boggling how no one seems to care that a fight, with guns, in the middle of a crowded marketplace in Lagos probably led to at least someone getting hurt, if not killed. Why the hell does no one realize that yes, the Avengers are a scary force when they can do things like this?

- Why make Wanda the one who screws up in Lagos? Wanda, who in the comics is one of the most powerful mutants superheroes ever???

- The magical code word thing makes no sense. If they can control Bucky with code words, why bother with the whole memory wipe thing? Also, why even have this as a plot device? In the comics, there were code words, but all they did was knock Bucky out, not make him susceptible to mind control (which is, by the way, extremely scientifically dubious).

- I will say that T'Challa is cool.

- "I'm not going to kill anyone," says Bucky, right before he starts beating people up in the same brutal, accidental-death-risking way BvS's Batman beat thugs up.


After 1 hour and 50 minutes:

- There is so much property destruction that no one in the movie cares about.

- Vision and Tony's treatment of Wanda is infuriatingly patronizing.

- Tony's comments about Aunt May in front of Peter are incredibly creepy. Also, Tony recruiting Spider-Man is like literally recruiting a child soldier. It's pretty gross.

- The airport fight scene, which I've seen basically everyone praise to the high heavens, was ruined for me because I could not stop thinking about how there are combat-trained, lethal adults fighting a 15-year-old kid.

- This movie is narratively incoherent. First, it's about collateral damage and the Sokovia Accords. Then it's about Bucky. Then it's about finding 5 other "Winter Soldiers." These plotlines make no sense when mashed together and the Sokovia Accords are basically forgotten about. Most of the conflicts are due to a complete and total communication failure, which would have been solved if people just freaking talked to each other.

And why is the plotline about the other "Winter Soldiers" a thing? What's supposed to be the theme/message of that that's relevant to Steve? Why???

- Sharon Carter got utterly shafted, again. I'm a big Sharon Carter fan and a Sharon/Steve fan, and yet I didn't like it when they kissed because there was no build up whatsoever. We know very little about Sharon aside from the fact that she's related to Peggy, she's good at her job, and...she's loyal to Steve for some unexplained reason. Please, Sharon Carter deserves so much better.

- Some lines of dialogue came off as condescending? Like when Wanda is hesitating and Clint tells her to "get off her ass"—no, she's hesitating because last time she accidentally blew up a building and she's still dealing with the guilt from that! Also, when Bucky says he doesn't remember anything about Zemo and Steve says "you have to do better than that"—dude, your pal just got mind-controlled (sort of) and is struggling to remember who he is, have some sympathy??


And now for the discussion of events that happen later in the movie:

- The treatment of Bucky at the end is incredibly ableist and dehumanizing. "Nope, let's not help this mentally ill abuse victim recover, let's freeze him!"
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Man of Steel and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Two movies that seem to get compared somewhat frequently, for reasons both obvious and not so obvious. On the obvious side, there's the fact that Superman and Captain America are seen as DC-Marvel analogues of each other: both are nice-guy characters whose adherence to “doing the right thing” is so steadfast and consistent that sometimes they seem like “boring” characters to certain people. On the not so obvious side, MoS is its protagonist's origin story, and indeed the first entry in the shared DC cinematic universe, while CATWS is Captain America's second solo film (Cap's third film if you count The Avengers) and the ninth entry in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. So in some senses, it's not completely fair to compare the two.


There's also the fact that the two films are usually compared to talk about the superiority of CATWS and the inferiority of MoS, usually to bridge out into a broader conversation about how DC's focus on "gritty" and "dark" is going to doom the company, while Marvel are brilliant geniuses who create cinematic masterpieces, etc. etc.


Now, I’m a big fan of Captain America and did not like Man of Steel at all the first time I watched it. But after several more viewings and doing some hard thinking, my stance on both films has changed. CATWS did not ruin Superman for me, as a number of people have claimed it did for them. Rather, for me, Man of Steel ruined CATWS.




I. Does destruction only count when it’s shown?


One of the most frequent criticisms of Man of Steel is that it's "destruction porn." That way too many people die and way too much real estate is destroyed in the name of using flashy CGI to impress the viewer.


I've said before that the amount of destruction in Man of Steel doesn't feel that gratuitous when you view the movie as being about humanity facing an alien threat they can't hope to win against, and there's something to be said for the fact that Man of Steel doesn't sugarcoat the violence and destruction. It's downright disturbing to see Metropolis wrecked and to watch characters die. But then again, shouldn't it be disturbing? The fact that the climactic battle was able to elicit a reaction in many viewers—especially discomfort and horror—meant that it did its job. We are not meant to feel comfortable with the aftermath of the Kryptonians' attempted invasion. We are shown that many people lost their lives, whether they sacrificed them willingly, or whether they were casualties, and humanity was saved, but not without collateral damage.


Man of Steel’s approach contrasts sharply with that of CATWS. CATWS also features immense destruction, caused not by an alien invasion but by guns and the technology of war. And yet, CATWS barely even shows its destruction at all. The first time I watched the scene where the Winter Soldier and his Hydra posse shoot up a freeway while trying to kill Natasha and Steve, I remember thinking: "Didn't a lot of civilians die?" The characters shot at a crowded freeway in downtown DC in the middle of the day. They shot at vehicles. Innocent civilians were fleeing in all directions in a panic. There was simply no way that scene happened without innocent people getting injured and killed in the crossfire. And yet, we don't see a single dead body.


In this sense, CATWS is dishonest. It wants high-stakes action scenes (how else do you explain why the movie chose to have a lethal assassin, so skilled that he's considered a "ghost" by the intelligence community, shoot up a downtown freeway in broad daylight?), yet it doesn't want to show that there are consequences for those action scenes, consequences to Steve's struggle with Hydra. It can keep its hands clean in a way Man of Steel purposely avoids doing.


That scene is the most egregious one to me, but it's not the only one. The car chase between Fury and Hydra, which also involved shooting into crowded streets, also should've had innocent bystanders getting injured, if not killed. And then the climax, with the helicarriers shooting each other out of the sky? It was pure luck that none of the helicarrier debris fell on a busy street or a building. If the helicarrier that ended up crashing into the (conveniently empty?) SHIELD building had drifted at a slightly different angle, it would've caused massive destruction in the city.


None of the risks are so much as thought about in the movie. Again, CATWS presents a world in which people doing the "right" thing conveniently escape causing collateral damage so their image can stay squeaky-clean.


As escapist fantasy, CATWS is fine. As a "feel good" movie, CATWS is fine. But the way the movie sweeps its destruction under the carpet, to me, is a pretty huge suspension of disbelief, and I find its minimization of costs and consequences more than a little disturbing.




II. Does killing someone “for the greater good” make you morally bankrupt?


Another difference I've seen in comparisons of the two movies is in the handling of the climactic one-on-one battle. People praise Steve's surrender to Bucky, while criticizing Clark's killing of Zod.


The thing is, if you think about this comparison in anything beyond a superficial way, you'll realize the two situations are not remotely similar. In CATWS, Bucky was merely the gun while Hydra was pulling the trigger. He was not legally responsible for his actions. And, he was Steve's best friend. Zod, on the other hand, was completely acting of his own free will when he decided to build Krypton on top of humanity's bones. Moreover, Bucky had already failed his mission. He was no longer a threat to anyone except Steve. In Man of Steel, Zod had explicitly said to Clark that he would destroy every human being on Earth if Clark didn't stop him. And he was clearly capable of carrying out that threat. Yet somehow, Steve's decision not to fight Bucky is hailed as "brave" while Clark's desperate decision to kill Zod in order to stop him, made when he had no other option and was begging Zod not to make him do it...is viewed as morally "over the line."


A better comparison to make is between Clark’s killing of Zod and Fury’s killing of Alexander Pierce. Both Zod and Pierce are the Big Bads of their respective movies. Both are killed in order to save another person(s). Yet whereas no one spares a thought for Pierce once he’s dead, Clark is haunted by his choice to kill Zod, even though Zod had planned to commit genocide.


It’s strange to me that, if you normally ask people whether someone who has the ability to kill a genocidal dictator should do so, basically everyone would say “Yes, of course!” But Clark’s decision to kill Zod is somehow viewed as “morally cynical” and “condoning murder.” Fury’s decision to kill Pierce is no less morally problematic than Clark’s killing Zod, but somehow Pierce is an acceptable, even justified casualty of war, but Zod, a genocidal and unstoppable alien invader, isn’t.


So really, where’s the moral superiority in CATWS? Especially when you consider that Steve has probably killed at least a few (if not a bunch of) Hydra mooks over the course of the movie (though once again, we never see any dead bodies), while Clark has never killed anyone until Zod came along? Do people really think that “it’s okay” to kill faceless guards who get in the hero’s way? Is that an attitude we should leave uncriticized?


And if you want to argue that Superman has a "no kill" rule whereas Captain America doesn't, that's a pretty weak argument to make. Because the central premise of that argument is that it's okay for heroes to kill unless they have an explicit rule against doing so. Think about that. It's a pretty disturbing thing to say. (Not to mention it's also factually inaccurate, so, it’s not a supported argument in any case.)




III. Captain America doesn’t have to make the hard decisions; Superman does


Building on my previous point, it’s disingenuous to act like Captain America took a moral high ground that Superman refused to adhere to, because the narratives of the two movies are structured so that Captain America can take the high ground, but Superman can’t.


Steve has the option of not killing Bucky because he doesn’t have to. Clark doesn’t have the option of not killing Zod—unless he wants an innocent family to die. Steve has the option of razing SHIELD to the ground because the narrative doesn’t show the potentially very negative consequences of dumping all of SHIELD’s classified information on the net. Clark doesn’t have the option of not causing damage if he fights Zod—because the narrative did not want to portray a fight between two god-like beings as having no collateral consequences.


To put it another way: the only way the movies would be comparable would be if the narrative structures were the same. If, for example, Steve had to choose between killing Bucky or saving the world; he couldn’t do both. Or if Steve had to decide whether or not to dump all of SHIELD’s information on the internet, knowing that a close friend is a deep cover SHIELD agent and whose life would be threatened if this information was made public. Or if Steve decided to blow the helicarriers out of the sky, and the falling debris ended up costing a number of innocent civilians their lives. None of these scenarios happened—because the narrative is constructed so that Steve doesn’t have to make difficult moral choices.


Steve has the option not to compromise. Clark doesn’t. Man of Steel is a world with shades of gray and no right answers. Not so with CATWS, which portrays a world in which the bad guys are bad and the good guys are good—the only complication is figuring out who is who when the bad guys pretend to be good.


You can say that forcing Clark to choose between the lesser of two evils is a fundamentally cynical narrative choice—and that’s an idea worth debating—but it’s false to say Steve was able to exercise some kind of moral agency that Clark turned away from. Because it’s the narrative structure of CATWS that allows Steve to keep his hands clean; Man of Steel deliberately chooses not to do so for Clark.




IV. "You need us" vs. "I'm here to help"


In my previous post, I mentioned that Man of Steel bucks the trend of the "authority-defying rebel who single-handedly saves the day because they knew better than the rigid, out-of-touch Powers That Be" narrative that is often very appealing to American audiences. CATWS, on the other hand, does follow that narrative pretty closely. CATWS is all about how The Powers That Be are corrupt, and therefore only a handful of rebellious mavericks can save the world. Be careful whom you trust, the movie makes it clear—except for the heroes, whom you have no choice but to trust.


In CATWS, Natasha Romanoff (who is in essence speaking for herself and Steve, since Steve, in a strange display of cavalier disrespect, decides not to even show up to the congressional hearing) says to the government,


"You're not going to put me in a prison. You're not going to put any of us in a prison. You know why? Because you need us. Yes, the world is a vulnerable place, and yes, we help make it that way. But we're also the ones best qualified to defend it."


Natasha, supported by the narrative, makes the claim that the government can't prosecute the Avengers because without the Avengers, there will be no one around to save humanity. In CATWS, heroes are necessary. But what if the government wants to hold the Avengers accountable for the destruction they caused, or if the assumption that the Avengers aren't corrupt is challenged? Well, too bad. The Avengers are too valuable to be controlled or eliminated.


Man of Steel provides a very different view of heroism. Clark, a Kryptonian with powers beyond the wildest dreams of humanity, would seem to be indispensable. But that’s not how Clark views himself. He tells General Swanwick,


"Look, I'm here to help. But it has to be on my own terms."


Earlier, he also says to the general,


"You're scared of me because you can't control me. You don't, and you never will. But that doesn't mean I'm your enemy."


Unlike Natasha, Clark makes it clear that he's willing to cooperate with the government—he doesn't want to be controlled by them, but he expresses respect for humanity. Over and over again in Man of Steel, he entrusts his fate to human hands, even when he has doubts about doing so. He even goes out of his way to try to make humanity feel safer around him.


The differences in the climaxes of Man of Steel and CATWS are illuminating: in CATWS, Steve, Natasha, Fury, Sam, and Hill decide, by themselves, to take down all of SHIELD and dump all of its information on the internet, without consulting the SHIELD employees who may be harmed by such a decision. In Man of Steel, on the other hand, Clark teams up with the American military and Lois Lane to defeat the Kryptonians together. Humanity needs Superman in order to win against the Kryptonians, but they do not need Superman in order to fight for what’s right and stand up for what they believe in.


Clark does not view himself as humanity’s savior, but as a collaborator (“I’m here to help,”), whereas Natasha's statement ("You need us") carries an implied superiority ("we're...the ones best qualified to defend [you]"), combined with a disturbing lack of regard for accountability ("You're not going to put any of us in prison...Because you need us"), and a certain disinterest towards the wishes of the people whom the Avengers are saving. Which, in my opinion, is more than a little troubling from an ethical standpoint.


CATWS asks the question: who should you trust? The answer is Captain America and the Avengers—but you don’t have the option of not trusting them. Man of Steel asks the question: who should you have faith in? The answer is yourself—and where you falter, Superman will be there to help you. Therein lies the major difference between the two movies.

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For a long time, I've resisted talking about my problems with Captain America: The Winter Soldier in any public place with actual traffic, because (1) I did not want to deal with the numerous die-hard fans who would go "how dare you hate this brilliant masterpiece of a movie," and (2) while I criticize a lot of fiction, I'm not the type of douchebag who wants to purposely ruin other people's enjoyment of fiction. So I stayed quiet on Tumblr, and just griped once in a while over here, on my LJ.

But you know, I'm starting to become a devoted DCCU fan, and the ludicrous kind of hatred DC gets—merely for being different from Marvel, or because people who know a little bit about Superman are upset with what DC did with Superman—mainly from die-hard Marvel fans, it seems, is making me extremely bitter. So I'll come out and say it.

In my opinion, CATWS is overrated. It's nowhere near the level of perfection people always claim it is.

And here, IMO, are the major problems with CATWS:

- The fight scenes do not make much practical sense. The Winter Soldier is portrayed as superficially terrifying but he actually has a 0% success rate in the movie, in terms of killing the people he's supposed to.

- Along the same lines, there are MASSIVE civilian casualties in CATWS, yet the movie almost doesn't show any of them. (And I think it's stunningly hypocritical of Marvel fans to criticize Man of Steel for having too many civilian casualties, which you're at least shown and meant to feel bad about.)

- It is very different from the original Winter Soldier comic arc in certain ways, and personally I was tremendously disappointed by some of the changes they made to the source material. It's a problem, to me, that they decided to make Bucky even more victimized than he was in the comics, and his portrayal in CATWS has now become the dominant interpretation of his character.

- As some smart people on Tumblr have pointed out, CATWS has some troubling implications in terms of accountability. Essentially, five people decided to dump all of SHIELD's information on the internet—potentially causing harm to a number of SHIELD employees by publicly exposing them. Steve Rogers doesn't show up to the congressional hearing that's about the massive damage SHIELD has wreaked and the information dumped on the internet, which is a stunning display of disrespect for the government and the law. Natasha flips off the government's legitimate concern about SHIELD and Hydra by essentially saying "You can't hold us accountable because you need us."

- Steve makes it sound as though Fury has gone too far in trying to protect the world—but the distinction between Fury doing questionable things in the name of freedom and Steve doing questionable things in WWII in the name of freedom is fuzzy at best.

- And in any case, the initial promise of a movie that explores gray morality gets completely dropped when Hydra enters the picture. Because with Hydra, it's no longer a story about gray morality—it's about clearly delineated Good Guys and Bad Guys, the only problem is being able to tell who's who when the Bad Guys are masquerading as Good Guys (or have co-opted the Good Guys, as in the case of Bucky).
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I already spent more than a bit of time nitpicking this movie, but on my second watch-through I started thinking about how the movie could've been better, as a movie about the Winter Soldier/adaptation of the Winter Soldier comic storyline.

The basic problem was that the Hydra-in-SHIELD/Project Insight storyline was too massive for the Winter Soldier story to be incorporated meaningfully into it. And it's a good storyline, honestly. But the Winter Soldier story, when done right, is emotionally devastating, and it sets up a lot of critical things for when Bucky later becomes a prominent character (and the future Captain America). You know you've got a major problem when your movie is subtitled "The Winter Soldier" but the Winter Soldier himself could've been removed and the plot would've remained intact. I just don't know what could've been sacrificed to make more space for the Winter Soldier plot.

It says something that when I went into the movie, I was already invested in the Steve and Bucky relationship, I had already read the comics, and I still didn't feel moved by the Steve and Bucky friendship as presented in the movie. Bucky is simply way too minor of a character in the MCU. The lone flashback scene in CA:TWS didn't cut it in terms of establishing Steve and Bucky's relationship, and having Steve throw out lines like "Even when I had nothing, I had Bucky" doesn't mean much if the audience isn't shown that was the case.

I would've liked to see more flashbacks—or at least a few establishing, emotionally powerful flashbacks to make the Big Reveal gut-wrenching. Hell, in the comics, Steve has a mini breakdown when he learns about what happened to Bucky. In CA:TWS, the feeling is more like "Oh, Steve's old army buddy is now a killing machine, how sad." It should've been "Oh my God, Steve's best and only friend since childhood is a brainwashed assassin working for the people he used to fight against oh nooooooo."*

The directors said they didn't want a lot of flashbacks because they wanted this movie to be focused on the modern day. Which is okay reasoning, but the problem is, this movie ended up being about the past as much as it was about the present. It was about characters' pasts coming back to haunt them, past choices and past mistakes having consequences in the present. Zola even stopped the movie to give a goddamn infodump about Hydra/SHIELD's history.

(This is why, as much as I enjoy reading meta about this movie, I don't actually trust that the directors conveyed a lot of the subtleties as a conscious choice.)

I wanted Bucky to be more competent. He is a terrifying but tremendously terrible assassin in the movie. He doesn't kill a single person he's supposed to have killed and he decides to try to kill people in broad daylight in crowded public areas with a 0% effectiveness rate. The comics start with him assassinating the freaking Red Skull for an immediate "oh s***" reaction on the part of the reader.

I would've wanted Bucky to talk more. I know it would've given up the game in terms of his identity, but (a) 50% of the audience already knew the Winter Soldier was Bucky, (b) having suspense instead of mystery wouldn't have been a bad thing, and (c) I'm sure they could've used a mask/voice distortion device. In the comics, Bucky and Steve had an argument while they were fighting during the climax, and I thought that was really heartbreaking. The mostly silent "conversation" between MCU Steve and Bucky was sad for a different reason—as a friend put it (paraphrased), "Bucky was such a hollow shell, I just wanted Steve to put him out of his misery."


* (And I'm going to plug my own fic exploring this because why the hell not.)
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Because the combat in this movie bugs the hell out of me. As "realistic" as they tried to make the movie, the combat breaks the suspension of disbelief multiple times.

(Disclaimer 1: My knowledge of combat is limited to common sense and archaic swordfighting. If anyone wants to correct me, you're welcome to do so.)

(Disclaimer 2: I didn't hate the movie.)

- Cap vs. Batroc: Cinemasins makes a good point in that Steve is supposed to be physically superior to the "average" person, so why is Batroc suddenly a match for him just because he knows...savate?

- Nick Fury car chase: Cinemasins also makes a good point in that Bucky could've ended the chase a lot earlier if he'd just used his grenade launcher (?) a lot earlier. But seriously, shooting at a car in broad daylight in the middle of a busy DC street? How did Hydra not cause mass panic? (And nothing says "stealthy legendary assassin" better than "Let me stand in the middle of the street with a facemask and goggles and a really big gun and blow up a car.")

- Bucky vs. Natasha and Steve: OH BOY, HERE WE GO.

  • Because nothing says "stealthy legendary assassin" better than shooting up a DC freeway in broad daylight, probably killing loads of civilians in the process, and also blowing up half the city, amirite???

  • No, seriously, you really can't tell me the Winter Soldier is blah blah most deadly assassin in the world blah blah and then show him doing things like this. I get that you wanted a visually spectacular action scene, but this doesn't any make sense.

  • Not only does it not make any sense in terms of attracting attention, but it's also just a really bad choice because cars and panicked citizens are just going to get in the way.

  • Also, how did Bucky and Hydra track down Natasha, Steve, and Sam in a moving car again? That's ludicrously more difficult than finding them while they're stationary and not in a car.

  • Once again, Cinemasins makes a good point that Bucky could've just dropped a ball bomb into the car with Sam, Natasha, and Steve. Boom. Problem solved.

  • I thought Steve's shield was made out of vibranium and therefore absorbed the impact of bullets or whatever. In Cap 1, when Peggy shoots at his shield, the bullets fall to the ground after hitting the shield. But suddenly Steve can use the shield to deflect bullets into other people now?

  • I'm going to assume that Bucky shot Natasha's shoulder because he didn't have a clear aim because of all the fleeing people. If he had a clear shot, he certainly would've killed her. (Remember he used to be a sniper?)

  • Don't get me wrong, I really liked the Bucky vs. Steve fight scene, but it also was really conveniently choreographed to stretch out to be as long as possible. For example: Bucky is choking Steve, and then just throws him to the ground...because strangling someone with a metal hand never kills them, right? Then when Bucky kicks Steve against the van, he uses this really wide overhead swing with his knife--conveniently to give Steve time to respond. (Also, was he planning to knife Steve in the head? There are easier, cleaner ways to kill someone with a knife...)

  • The dramatic stare: yes, it was probably necessary. No, it still doesn't really make sense that Bucky would just stop mid-fight to give Steve a Dramatic Stare for the Big Reveal.


- When Bucky's trying to get to the helicarrier, he absolutely destroys all the SHIELD agents. He's nowhere near this efficient when fighting a named character.

- Bucky vs. Steve, round two

  • Bucky's aim with a gun is spectacularly bad after he wakes up from being choked unconscious. And no, sorry, I don't buy the idea that he's just giving "warning shots." FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, THIS GUY WAS TRAINED AS A SNIPER. AND HE'S GIVEN NO INDICATION THAT HE HAS ANY MOTIVATIONS IN THIS MOVIE OTHER THAN "FINISH THE MISSION" (as long as his memory isn't on the fritz).

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